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Excellent piece, reminds me of Daniel and his three friends; though young in years they became advanced in wisdom. Love your observation that God’s wisdom “transcends human experience and (the) limitations of human reasoning.” How wonderful it would be if secular philosophers realized this. Better yet, if more Christians did! Blessings to you and Igal…
Excellent exegesis and piece, including your reference to the deceived adherents of the hyper-grace movement. But I especially love your exhortation in the last paragraph… Focused, powerful, direct…
Igal, Thank you very much for the wonderful, informative blogs. I appreciate your time and effort to get these important topics to me and others. All of the topics are very helpful in my study and teaching.
Dear Nataliya German,
Thanks for this great article on this difficult subject. My wife has started to walk in the truth the scriptures teach and is finding so many obstacles being put in front of her. The church has become so much like the world that they cannot see that God has set up specific roles and authority in the church. I see women wearing tight jeans and breast on show. Feminism has been accepted by the church in the last 70 years as they have not studied the Bible nor taught men and women in the church about being one flesh as a married couple and God’s authority structures.
I thought you might like this comment by Tim Warner:-
1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.
2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.
Paul’s reasoning above is that all Christian women must submit to both of these things, at least during this age while the curse is still in effect. Yes, there are lots of women who know much more than their husbands about biblical teaching. However, if she transgresses THIS teaching, by teaching publicly in the assembly, then she is TEACHING false doctrine regardless of the content of her ‘message.’ This is because “teaching” is not only oral. There is a kind of ‘teaching’ that is by example, which is what she is supposed to be doing instead of teaching orally. She might be making great theological points with her words. But there is one glaring point that she is making that completely undermines everything that is coming out of her mouth — by her actions she is transgressing the biblical teaching regarding the role of Christian women by her public display of blatant insubordination to the commandments of Scripture. Notice in the above passage that these instructions immediately follow specific instructions on how Christian women are to dress and adorn themselves. This EXAMPLE of CONDUCT is how godly Christian women are to make a statement. A women ‘pastor’ or other ‘teacher’ in the assembly by her conduct is no different than if a Christian woman came to the assembly immodestly in her underwear. It is a window into her character. She is not doing “what is proper for a woman professing godliness.”
Older Christian women should be teaching younger women, and then only those things that relate to what God commands of women. That does not all have to be “religious.” There is a lot of practical teaching that godly older Christian woman can teach to the younger and less experienced. Here is exactly what Paul said:
1 Timothy 2:8-15
8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
1 But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine:
2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience;
3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things–
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
So, here is the nuts and bolts of it:
1. Women are to act and dress very modestly, not wearing clothing jewelry, or anything that is not “modest.” Modesty does not ONLY means covering up the private and semi-private parts. It also means “plain” — the opposite of glamorous, bold, attention seeking, expensive, etc.
2. She is to adorn herself with “good works.” That is not defined as preaching, or writing books, or being the star of the show, or a celebrity. It is being a servant to other individuals, particularly those within her own assembly, those who have a need.
3. She is not allowed to teach in mixed company, the reasons are as follows (all being theological not cultural)
a. God created Adam to be the leader, teacher, provider, and protector of his family, and Eve was created to be his “helper” to do all she can do to make his job easier.
b. The curse put on women included two things: pain in childbirth as a REMINDER that her husband must rule over her. (This is because her sin was that she blatantly acted against what Adam had told her that God required of them both, circumventing his God-given authority and role). So, you can ask Joyce Meyer if she had any pain during childbirth (or had to take medication to help ease the pain), and if she did, then she is under this curse which required her to be obedient to her husband in all things. And according to Paul, her not being allowed to teach in mixed company stems from this as well.
4. Women do have a role to play in teaching their children. But when they become “empty-nesters” they are to graduate to teaching adult Christian women. And the thing they are to teach is what they have themselves been practicing and have become proficient at — how to successfully raise a family, honour and take care of her husband and, how to make her home and household prosper . IN other words, she should already be an expert at this, and already have a good track-record and reputation among the assembly as having lived out these things in her home life successfully. The thrust of her teaching is not theology, except as it relates to the above.
So, if you want to read Joyce Meyer or any other similar teacher, just brace yourself for being deceived by her. When Eve decided to go beyond the boundaries God established for women, Satan was very eager to to seize the opportunity to exploit her. And it is no different today. That does not mean she is not a good teacher, or might not have some good solid teachings. But if her LIFE does not reflect these things, she is disobedient to the Word, which negates anything good she might have to say.
Women were not allowed to hold any office in the assembly that involved teaching men or exercising any kind of authority over the men, (which would place her over her own husband in the assembly). However, the NT supports the role of woman serving in the office of “Deaconess,” the female version of “Deacons.” Phoebe was a deaconess, as is plainly stated in Romans 16:1-2, which actually uses the Greek word “Deaconess.” That this was an official office is clear by the clause, “of the assembly in Cenchrea.” Deaconesses were given responsibilities of assisting the female members, including counselling, etc., especially in things where male leadership would not be appropriate, such as one-on one instruction. And like Phoebe, some Godly women held enormous responsibilities regarding finances of the assembly. In this passage, she was sent from her home assembly to another assembly on “business.” She was therefore no doubt the “treasurer” of that assembly, and could conduct finances in their name.
Thank you for the excellent article. It shed a lot of light on a complex subject.
Good article with good points!
I’m a man who has been blessed by women. Some of the nicest people I know are women. Great Christian women, such as Ruth Graham and Corrie Ten Boom, have done much to help further the Kingdom of God. My own mom is a great mom who loves God. However, there’s a double standard of misogyny being (rightfully) despised in America, yet there’s widespread acceptance of radical feminism, which is clearly at war with men. A retired professor from Grinnell College wrote a column the Washington Post found suitable to print in which she actually said, “I hate all men and wish all men were dead.”
Then there’s Marcie Bianco, an author on the NBC news website. She had an opinion piece in which she said women are, “increasingly realizing not only that they don’t need heterosexuality, but that it also is often the bedrock of their global oppression.”
To quote Marcie Bianco, “Men continue to coerce, harass, rape and kill girls and women – and go to extreme lengths to avoid responsibility for their actions.” Clearly, she’s unfairly generalizing as she paints a very bleak picture of men. Yes, there are men who’ve done wicked things, but the men who commit the wrongs are the ones to whom guilt belongs, not everyone who belongs to that gender.
Tragically, much of the church seems to be silent on the subject of feminism. Even worse, some Christians have even teamed up with the feminists, promoted their ideas and are on board with the so-called “empowering of women.” But in reality, feminism is not good for men or children (literally unborn babies are dying because of it). Even women themselves are hurt by feminism. Because feminism goes against what God says in the Bible about family, authority, and the roles of men and women. For instance, Titus 2:3-5 or Ephesians 5:23 which says, “For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.”
Though feminists are people (both men and women), whom we should want to see come to Christ, I have grown to despise feminism itself. Yet feminism, like LGBTQ+, is being pushed and promoted in our world. Look at the attitudes of the prominent feminists. They are angry, hateful, rebellious and to put it bluntly, sinful. I firmly believe the church, family organizations and individuals ought to take an honest look at what feminism is and the damage it’s doing to people and our nation. Ideas have consequences and some of the consequences of feminism are strained relationships, divorce, single parent families, men being demeaned and demonized, and worst of all, the rejection of God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.
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